When you think about how much wealth was destroyed, how many dreams were shattered, and how many lives were taken in the last century through the mechanism of democide, and you imagine the paradise that could exist were it not for the cupidity and brutality of our leaders, you can't help but weep.
When you think about how much wealth was destroyed, how many dreams were shattered, and how many lives were taken in the last century through the mechanism of democide, and you imagine the paradise that could exist were it not for the cupidity and brutality of our leaders, you can't help but weep.
Only one thought on this: don’t be angry at those who fall for it. Instead, pray and work for their enlightenment (as you do). Our institutions are part of a never ending psyop to find suckers to do the work. I fell into that machinery - and thought I was “doing the right thing.” It took Divine Intervention to have my eyes opened.
I've had long, drawn-out arguments with people about all of this in the past. The most common reaction I get is one of cold indifference. "Yes? And? This is normal."
Or, even worse, they cite Steven Pinker and some other Whig History nonsense and say "Don't worry, it's getting better".
That's the part that always gets me. The part where people shrug their shoulders and just accept that all of this is standard human behavior at work. It isn't, though. Systematic violence requires substantial, concerted effort. It requires promises of plunder for the victors and threats of execution for those who refuse to be conscripted.
Warfare is not the default setting. Humans overwhelmingly prefer peaceable socialization and basically have to be whipped into violence like fighting dogs. It is impossible to take brief, sporadic outbreaks of violence, such as bar fights or riots, which usually resolve themselves, and extrapolate that to warfare. War requires deliberate, systematic, mechanical removal of inhibitions and the crossing of social boundaries.
I don't know if you've seen it, but there was a brilliant PBS series back in the early-80s called (simply) "War" narrated by Gwynne Dyer. Most relevant to your point was the episode (Ep. 2) called "Anybody's Son Will Do." It's still available on Youtube. It's how we turn ordinary high school students into killers.
Also there is the phrase, what my grandfather was saying - Why would I bother? Why would they go after me? What I did to any of them? I work for German company, why would they bother me?
That was in April 1941. He was dead by June/July 1941.
The Big Shoots didn't bother about Jovan Shobot. But first neighbor, Balaban was the last name DID. He was the one to point the finger on my grandfather and say - YOU ARE SERB, you go to Orthodox Church.
"Let the COVID-19 overreach be their final folly." 🙏
( It is inconceivable to me how the collective "we" normalize and accept the brutality of our leaders and "can't help but weep" while they keep killing us, getting richer, over & over & over again. (Spartacus, I wish I could share the testimony of 5 nuns (serbian orthodox) of what has been done to them by US/NATO soldiers at Kosovo.
Spartacus, you are a great hero for humanity, as painful as the awakening is for oh so many. As a women who grew up in the fire of the Vietnam Era, who read the Pentagon Papers at 16, I have ALWAYS detested war, and every male and female warmongerer on Earth.
It is insane and only the insane or the mind-controlled, will go for it. Socipaths, psychopaths, "demons," those sick emotional plague, the anti-life principle or Wetico are the ones setting these horrors into motion. "Normies" cannot comprehend their thinking and actual behaviors, yet they are convinced by them to participate.
For a deep insight, even for you, on the origin of warfare on our beautiful planet Earth among human society, please consider getting a copy of James DeMeo's book "Saharasia" and read it throughly. It lays it out like no other, it's a theory he proves in my opinion, and it truly explains the "insanity" that is war. If we all understood this it might have a shot at stopping it!
None of us are without sin; it's how you handle that realization that matters.
And a lot of it also depends upon exactly what you did "in the war."
Despite agreeing with much of what Spartacus says, I don't think that means that my grandfather was a "bad" man (for example) for leaving his family and volunteering to fight in WW2. He liberated a death camp as his unit closed in on Germany in the aftermath of the Battle of the bulge in 1944. How does one factor that in the moral calculus?
IOW, Spartacus may have correctly identified the war profiteers as the truly bad people, but I don't think that means everyone who was swept up along in that carries the same culpability. There is no transitive property of Evil.
In the same way that the law protects the bona fide (ignorant) purchaser of stolen goods, for example. We don't say that the people who Bernie Madoff swindled (i.e. his victims) share his culpability, do we?
Correct. Most normal people aren't even playing the same game as the war profiteer con men. These are two separate social games with two separate sets of rules, and the ones playing the hidden game don't let their victims look at the rulebook.
I think that you're asking the right questions, but you seem to think that "the truth" exists in some Platonic-state that is knowable to ordinary men. Let me offer a story.
I was off the coast of what we called the "FRY" (the Former Republic of Yugoslavia) in 1995 when that all went to shit. I was part of the amphib task force that rescued a USAF pilot shot down while enforcing the no-fly zone over that country. We had no internet and very little understanding of the situation on the ground. Can you say definitively whether the no-fly zone was "evil", with no room for nuance? Fortunately, our helos didn't shoot anyone during that rescue, but if they had returned fire (the rescue aircraft were fired upon once they went inland) and killed someone, would you call that also "evil"? I have a hard time seeing that.
We had one guy in my unit who was getting a Master's and he was the only person I knew who had any books that even discussed the history of "FRY" and from all we could glean, it was a mess - with plenty of so-shit evil done by ALL sides in that civil war. Much of that blame for those starting conditions lies with Tito and many other leaders that far predates our arrival.
A Brit Major who was on the ground w/ peacekeepers in the UN enclaves came aboard our ship to explain what we would likely encounter if we tried to evacuate those enclaves.
He said: "The Serbs (BSA) will shoot at you for coming ashore. The BiH will shoot at you for coming into these particular areas. And the people we're protecting will mine the landing zones because if you take us out, they know that the BSA will move in and slaughter them. Therefore, you should understand that everyone there will try to kill you for their own separate reasons."
That's what war looks like "on the ground" I'm afraid. So who gets the blame for acting "evil" in such circumstances? Where is "The Truth" there? Do you blame the soldiers for having chosen service that on the surface is to "defend our own people" but gets turned into "using force in extremely murky and unclear circumstances." And then consider that those who refuse to participate in missions they consider wrongful are court-martialed and thrown in jail for disobedience. See, for example, U.S. v. New. https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/2001Term/99-0640.htm)
When you think about how much wealth was destroyed, how many dreams were shattered, and how many lives were taken in the last century through the mechanism of democide, and you imagine the paradise that could exist were it not for the cupidity and brutality of our leaders, you can't help but weep.
Only one thought on this: don’t be angry at those who fall for it. Instead, pray and work for their enlightenment (as you do). Our institutions are part of a never ending psyop to find suckers to do the work. I fell into that machinery - and thought I was “doing the right thing.” It took Divine Intervention to have my eyes opened.
Keep it up.
Peace.
I've had long, drawn-out arguments with people about all of this in the past. The most common reaction I get is one of cold indifference. "Yes? And? This is normal."
Or, even worse, they cite Steven Pinker and some other Whig History nonsense and say "Don't worry, it's getting better".
That's the part that always gets me. The part where people shrug their shoulders and just accept that all of this is standard human behavior at work. It isn't, though. Systematic violence requires substantial, concerted effort. It requires promises of plunder for the victors and threats of execution for those who refuse to be conscripted.
Warfare is not the default setting. Humans overwhelmingly prefer peaceable socialization and basically have to be whipped into violence like fighting dogs. It is impossible to take brief, sporadic outbreaks of violence, such as bar fights or riots, which usually resolve themselves, and extrapolate that to warfare. War requires deliberate, systematic, mechanical removal of inhibitions and the crossing of social boundaries.
I don't know if you've seen it, but there was a brilliant PBS series back in the early-80s called (simply) "War" narrated by Gwynne Dyer. Most relevant to your point was the episode (Ep. 2) called "Anybody's Son Will Do." It's still available on Youtube. It's how we turn ordinary high school students into killers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_G2u1RrLOk
Also there is the phrase, what my grandfather was saying - Why would I bother? Why would they go after me? What I did to any of them? I work for German company, why would they bother me?
That was in April 1941. He was dead by June/July 1941.
The Big Shoots didn't bother about Jovan Shobot. But first neighbor, Balaban was the last name DID. He was the one to point the finger on my grandfather and say - YOU ARE SERB, you go to Orthodox Church.
And Ustash took him. He was gone.
Thanks Spartacus
On a personal note my Grandfather was a Boy Soldier on the Somme
Wounded and Mustard Gassed he survived hence me, my children and grandchildren could be born
All those lives that never were
Kakistocracy: government by, and for, the worst possible people.
Fuck ‘em.
"Let the COVID-19 overreach be their final folly." 🙏
( It is inconceivable to me how the collective "we" normalize and accept the brutality of our leaders and "can't help but weep" while they keep killing us, getting richer, over & over & over again. (Spartacus, I wish I could share the testimony of 5 nuns (serbian orthodox) of what has been done to them by US/NATO soldiers at Kosovo.
Spartacus, you are a great hero for humanity, as painful as the awakening is for oh so many. As a women who grew up in the fire of the Vietnam Era, who read the Pentagon Papers at 16, I have ALWAYS detested war, and every male and female warmongerer on Earth.
It is insane and only the insane or the mind-controlled, will go for it. Socipaths, psychopaths, "demons," those sick emotional plague, the anti-life principle or Wetico are the ones setting these horrors into motion. "Normies" cannot comprehend their thinking and actual behaviors, yet they are convinced by them to participate.
For a deep insight, even for you, on the origin of warfare on our beautiful planet Earth among human society, please consider getting a copy of James DeMeo's book "Saharasia" and read it throughly. It lays it out like no other, it's a theory he proves in my opinion, and it truly explains the "insanity" that is war. If we all understood this it might have a shot at stopping it!
Peace.
None of us are without sin; it's how you handle that realization that matters.
And a lot of it also depends upon exactly what you did "in the war."
Despite agreeing with much of what Spartacus says, I don't think that means that my grandfather was a "bad" man (for example) for leaving his family and volunteering to fight in WW2. He liberated a death camp as his unit closed in on Germany in the aftermath of the Battle of the bulge in 1944. How does one factor that in the moral calculus?
IOW, Spartacus may have correctly identified the war profiteers as the truly bad people, but I don't think that means everyone who was swept up along in that carries the same culpability. There is no transitive property of Evil.
In the same way that the law protects the bona fide (ignorant) purchaser of stolen goods, for example. We don't say that the people who Bernie Madoff swindled (i.e. his victims) share his culpability, do we?
Correct. Most normal people aren't even playing the same game as the war profiteer con men. These are two separate social games with two separate sets of rules, and the ones playing the hidden game don't let their victims look at the rulebook.
We get separate economic playbooks, too. ;-)
I think that you're asking the right questions, but you seem to think that "the truth" exists in some Platonic-state that is knowable to ordinary men. Let me offer a story.
I was off the coast of what we called the "FRY" (the Former Republic of Yugoslavia) in 1995 when that all went to shit. I was part of the amphib task force that rescued a USAF pilot shot down while enforcing the no-fly zone over that country. We had no internet and very little understanding of the situation on the ground. Can you say definitively whether the no-fly zone was "evil", with no room for nuance? Fortunately, our helos didn't shoot anyone during that rescue, but if they had returned fire (the rescue aircraft were fired upon once they went inland) and killed someone, would you call that also "evil"? I have a hard time seeing that.
We had one guy in my unit who was getting a Master's and he was the only person I knew who had any books that even discussed the history of "FRY" and from all we could glean, it was a mess - with plenty of so-shit evil done by ALL sides in that civil war. Much of that blame for those starting conditions lies with Tito and many other leaders that far predates our arrival.
A Brit Major who was on the ground w/ peacekeepers in the UN enclaves came aboard our ship to explain what we would likely encounter if we tried to evacuate those enclaves.
He said: "The Serbs (BSA) will shoot at you for coming ashore. The BiH will shoot at you for coming into these particular areas. And the people we're protecting will mine the landing zones because if you take us out, they know that the BSA will move in and slaughter them. Therefore, you should understand that everyone there will try to kill you for their own separate reasons."
That's what war looks like "on the ground" I'm afraid. So who gets the blame for acting "evil" in such circumstances? Where is "The Truth" there? Do you blame the soldiers for having chosen service that on the surface is to "defend our own people" but gets turned into "using force in extremely murky and unclear circumstances." And then consider that those who refuse to participate in missions they consider wrongful are court-martialed and thrown in jail for disobedience. See, for example, U.S. v. New. https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/2001Term/99-0640.htm)