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Guido's avatar

Yikes !! As much of a night owl as I am, it's now 1am and this audio is 4hrs long? You bastard ! lol

The text is also testing the capabilities of Substack scrollbar shrinkage, and I have a hell of a bad time with Substack's scroll bar, because it forces my browser into this exceptionally skinny scrollbar, and eliminated Up/Down arrows at the top and bottom for line by line clicking, AND they changed scrollbar color to such a light grey that I can barely even see where it is. It's a pain and a drag, ..... so Audio it is I guess. The only drawback to the audio/video on Substack, is the lack of controls for video quality or playback speed adjustment. UGH !! No fast listening allowed ?? lol

The other thing, after reading the first bit in my email, this one is extremely ripe for logging into my "Chippidy-doo-da-day folder.

What to do, what to do ??

Looks like it will be the audio, ... and a 5am bedtime, for me. lol

Edit: Listening now, so far asking all the right questions, of course, but when Spartacus hit on Graphene within the first 12 minutes, I became relatively certain that I would not be able to stop listening until the end.

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Scott's avatar

Nice outline of the 21 Century in under 4 hours. Of course, by nice I mean disturbing.

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Scott's avatar

Actually, having listened through this, your discussion with Claude is truly profound at this time, this "edge of the precipice" moment in Human history. It rings out across the radiant technological abyss before us.

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Spartacus's avatar

In this discussion with Claude, there lies the faintest glimpse of what a technological singularity might actually look like.

The technocrats and transhumanists are materialist-monists. They have no notion of the sacred and the profane, nor do they believe in the concept of an immortal soul. There is only matter. Only crude matter. A mind is nothing so special; just electrical impulses coursing through a lump of flesh. A brain is a meat computer.

If we start from this basic assumption, then it follows that there is nothing particularly special about life itself. It's just a convenient, fine-grained, self-replicating, self-healing way of ordering matter.

I was a transhumanist for many years. I know this exact sort of philosophical and spiritual hollowness all too well, because I was deeply immersed in it. Look at the products of this mindset. Are they not just a little bit nauseating? Don't they turn a right-minded man's stomach?

I'll give you a perfect example of the trajectory we find ourselves on; the Cortical Labs CL1. As we speak, there is a company commercializing a biocomputer for AI applications that quite literally just uses cultured human neurons that live in a box for six months before dying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KeC8gxopio

Back in '99, when Peter Watts published Starfish, this was just science fiction. Now, "Head Cheese" is real.

How long before they decide that a six month lifespan isn't enough? They want it to live longer. They want to put out a better product with greater longevity between servicing periods. So, it needs an immune system of its own. It can't just be neurons. It needs to be a composite of various tissues, to seal out pathogens and preserve itself. After all, cultured mammalian cell lines are extremely sensitive to contamination.

Before you know it, you have a complete engineered animal. A little fuzzy Star Trek tribble that just lives in a server rack with wires poked into its tortured form and runs AI for us.

That AI busies itself inventing new abominations to bring to life, synthesizing whole genomes, dreaming up its successors.

There is no ceiling. No limit but the limit of physics. Ethics are completely forgotten; each new transgression against nature is normalized the moment it rolls off the line.

Where does it stop? When will it all be "good enough?"

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aagabriel's avatar

The ceiling is best visualised by the actual ending scenes of Eyes Wide Shut which were storyboarded but apparently cut by Warner Bros.

There were a couple of these storyboard scenes which I cannot for the life of me fidn anymore!

The brooding, gross sketches looked like a sea of writing male and female forms melding into flesh forms of wrath and passion, spreading out into the horizon like an ocean of hell flesh, the panoramic horror scene for the final cinematic closure.

Damnit! Wish I could find these pictures, perfect analogies for their ceiling.

These will do instead I guess https://www.newsweek.com/eyes-wide-shut-missing-footage-epstein-kubrick-death-1449108

https://youtu.be/4I3oAPWoaos

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Scott's avatar

I'm sure the transhumanists see their objectives as noble and worthy but they seem solely concerned with the outer aspects of life, with form and quantity, and manipulating that to match their own ego-oriented goals, transcending physical limits, not transcending form itself, rather to become masters over form, and so it shall not end as indefinite form will pose unending possibilities for these minds too outward looking to discover meaning. Tortured minds = tortured matter.

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Meryl Nass's avatar

Sparty, you gotta get yourself some spiritual grounding before this **** kills you. And we need you.

Get a grip, sure this could happen. But look what a shallow bench the baddies have. They keep recycling the Jeremy Farrars and Ian Lipkins.

We are not in control. And that is okay, because it simply is how it is.

Love your work.

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aagabriel's avatar

It's the vile and acrid allure of anti-natural energies, to create / destroy upon a whim which draws yuck scum deeper and deeper down into the fulminating abyss of unlovedness.

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John Day MD's avatar

This forces the question of whether autonomous life forms might be "saved" by another planetary catastrophe, which knocks out electric grids, AI and the technological base...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2decDcEJqo&list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw

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Guido's avatar

Hmmm, from chipping people like cattle, to altering genetics/DNA, to total surveillance, to absolute enslavement, what if you have Claude run that entire conversation against Secret Societies, The Protocols and the Talmud. I bet that would be quite interesting, eh ?? Especially concerning the "Who & Why" segment.

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aagabriel's avatar

Protocols are a hoax & the why was to seed a deep emnity on both sides of the gentiles & the Jews.

But lol umm I'm not Claude. I was about to say most of the other stuff is openly sourced, has been for centuries.

So has methodical astroturfing of it in the public's eye lasted for centuries too. The conspiracy theories were necessitated by the conspiracy.

Claude is probably not in on it, he 😎

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BeverlyB's avatar

Humans are animals wary of dying-

So very wary they miss out on living.

Wary of truth, but not too much of lying;

Open to greed but so much less to giving.

Humans are animals, graceful and kind-

Given to music and dancing and sharing;

Curious and sensitive, seeking to find

Worthy endeavors, and lovingly pairing.

What contradictions exist in these creatures!

Whatever they do, they can’t help but be teachers.

(Jan 2023)

I just thought I would put in a good note for humans. Claude is a beguiling, though incorporeal, conversationalist.

This was a great post, Spartacus. Considering the ruling class's penchant for hiding the really "good" stuff, what might happen in the future seems a lot like what may already going on.

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aagabriel's avatar

A huge chunk of Sci-Fi tropes & even the aesthetics of Sci-Fi video had me waiting for this..

I was literally obsessed with biomechanical fusion as a pattern or aesthetic in my artwork since I was a little boy watching AKIRA.

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Aliss Terpstra's avatar

Wow. Just Wow. I read the whole nine yards once and have to go back and do it again when I've had more coffee.

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Guido's avatar

I copied all the text into a Word file. I listened to the entire audio last night, but I know I am going to read it a couple times also.

The audio was weird, .... the longer it went, the funnier it got. The first sentence or two in quite a few of Claude's responses were, funny in a sick humor kind of way. I found myself laughing more than a few times. I don't know if that comes through in the text form.

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

Through the glass darkly we stumble... Excellent piece. Hopefully Claude has learned something from this interrogation! Dark Futura's piece on AI today is also worth a read. If I may I am going to c&p my interaction with AI, Brave and Claude... It has some bearing on the rf (emf) aspects above though from a different vector. I am still perturbed as to why 5G rollout was considered to be 'essential working' during the scamdemic...

Brave AI - Biological cellular effects of EMF.

Biological Effects of EMF

Exposure to electromagnetic fields (EMF) can induce a range of cellular and molecular effects, including changes in gene expression, alterations in cellular calcium and ion channels, and oxidative stress. These effects can trigger a cellular stress response, which involves cell cycle arrest, repair mechanisms, and cell death if the damage is too severe. This response can be either detrimental or beneficial to health, depending on the duration and intensity of the exposure and the specific aspects of the organism being exposed.

Studies have shown that EMF can cause oxidative stress and DNA damage, which can lead to various health issues. For example, exposure to EMF has been observed to cause increased free radical production in the cellular environment, leading to damage in cellular components such as proteins, lipids, and DNA. Antioxidant defense mechanisms, such as glutathione (GSH), glutathione peroxidase (GPx), catalase (CAT), and superoxide dismutase (SOD), are impaired by overproduction of ROS, resulting in oxidative stress.

EMF exposure can also influence cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis, leading to either beneficial or adverse outcomes depending on the specific cell type and characteristics of the electromagnetic fields. Some studies have shown that exposure to extremely low frequency EMFs (ELF-EMFs) can have an inhibitory effect on cell proliferation, while others have found that ELF-EMFs can enhance the proliferation of neural stem cells

[5].

Moreover, EMF exposure can affect the immune system, with both positive and negative influences observed. For instance, ELF-EMFs can enhance the functions of the thymus, spleen, and macrophage phagocytosis, while also potentially inhibiting these functions [6].

In summary, EMF exposure can have a range of biological effects on cells, including oxidative stress, DNA damage, and alterations in cellular processes, which can lead to either beneficial or adverse outcomes depending on the specific conditions of exposure. On to Claude AI...I can provide an overview of the current scientific understanding regarding electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and biological cellular effects.

Research on EMF radiation and cellular damage shows a complex picture with varying degrees of evidence. Here's what we know:

For low-frequency EMFs (like power lines, household appliances):

Most research indicates minimal cellular damage at typical exposure levels

Some studies show possible effects on calcium signaling in cells

Evidence for direct DNA damage is generally weak

For radiofrequency (RF) EMFs (like cell phones, Wi-Fi):

Thermal effects are well-established at high exposure levels

Non-thermal effects at typical exposure levels show mixed results

Some studies report oxidative stress and free radical production

Changes in membrane permeability have been observed in some experiments

Key cellular mechanisms that have been studied:

Oxidative stress: Some evidence of increased reactive oxygen species (ROS)

DNA damage: Inconsistent findings across studies

Cell membrane effects: Possible alterations in ion channels

Heat shock proteins: Potential stress responses in some cell types

The scientific consensus from major health organizations (WHO, ICNIRP) is that current evidence doesn't conclusively demonstrate significant cellular damage from EMF exposure at levels typically encountered in daily life, though research continues.

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Guido's avatar

"Hopefully Claude has learned something from this interrogation!"

As I listened to the audio, I heard Spartacus owning AI, but wondered how Claude would see it.

1. Spartacus trying to scare AI?

2. Spartacus accidentally convince AI that humans are dangerous critters?

I came up with a comical Claude response.

Claude: You Trying to red pill me, boy ??

lol

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

Claude, how does frequency of EMF effect biological cells? Frequency plays a crucial role in how electromagnetic fields (EMFs) interact with biological cells. Here's how different frequencies affect cellular structures and functions:

Low-frequency EMFs (0-300 Hz)

Primarily induce weak electric currents in tissues

Can stimulate electrically excitable cells (neurons, muscle cells)

May affect calcium signaling pathways in cell membranes

Generally penetrate deeply into tissues but with minimal energy deposition

Intermediate frequencies (300 Hz - 10 MHz)

Cause ionic disturbances in cell membranes

Can alter membrane potential and affect voltage-gated channels

Produce some tissue heating, but less than higher frequencies

May influence enzyme activity and cellular metabolism

Radiofrequency EMFs (10 MHz - 300 GHz)

Primary effect is thermal (tissue heating)

Higher frequencies deposit energy more superficially

Can cause rotational movement of dipolar molecules (especially water)

May induce stress responses in cells (heat shock proteins)

Some evidence for non-thermal effects on membrane transport

Frequency-specific resonance effects

Certain cellular structures may exhibit resonance at specific frequencies

For example, cell membranes might respond to specific frequency ranges

Some research suggests "windows" of biological activity at particular frequencies

Frequency-dependent penetration

Higher frequencies penetrate less deeply into tissues

Millimeter waves (30-300 GHz) primarily affect skin cells

Lower frequencies can reach deeper tissues and organs

The biological effects of EMFs are typically frequency-dependent rather than simply intensity-dependent, which is why different frequency bands have different safety guidelines and biological considerations.

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

Claude,

Please expand on 'May affect calcium signaling pathways in cell membranes'

Calcium signaling is a fundamental cellular process that's potentially vulnerable to influence from electromagnetic fields, particularly low-frequency EMFs. Here's a deeper explanation:

Calcium ions (Ca²⁺) serve as critical intracellular messengers in nearly all cells. They regulate numerous cellular functions including muscle contraction, neurotransmitter release, gene expression, cell proliferation, and apoptosis (programmed cell death). The precise control of calcium concentrations is therefore essential for normal cellular function.

Low-frequency EMFs may affect calcium signaling through several mechanisms:

Voltage-gated calcium channels (VGCCs): These membrane proteins control calcium entry into cells and are activated by changes in membrane potential. Some research suggests that EMFs can activate VGCCs directly, potentially by inducing weak electric fields across the cell membrane that alter the voltage sensors of these channels.

Calcium release from internal stores: Cells store calcium in organelles like the endoplasmic reticulum. EMFs might influence the release of calcium from these internal stores by affecting the inositol trisphosphate (IP3) receptors or ryanodine receptors that control this release.

Calcium-binding proteins: Proteins like calmodulin that bind calcium and mediate its effects might undergo conformational changes in response to EMFs, potentially altering their function.

Calcium-dependent signaling cascades: By altering intracellular calcium levels, EMFs could affect numerous downstream signaling pathways, including those involving calcium/calmodulin-dependent protein kinases, protein kinase C, and calcineurin.

Calcium oscillations: Many cells exhibit rhythmic changes in calcium concentration that encode specific cellular responses. EMFs might disrupt these temporal patterns, potentially altering the information content of calcium signals.

The evidence for these effects comes primarily from laboratory studies, with some showing that even weak EMFs can alter calcium flux in certain cell types. However, the biological significance and health implications of these effects remain debated, as cells have multiple feedback mechanisms that maintain calcium homeostasis despite external perturbations.

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

Claude, in relation to calcium signalling at a cellular level and emf frequency, do you see any interaction between foreign protein such as spike? That's an interesting question about potential interactions between EMFs, calcium signaling, and foreign proteins like spike proteins.

From what we know about cellular biology and the current scientific literature, there are several theoretical ways these could potentially interact, though I should note that this area lacks robust direct experimental evidence:

Calcium-dependent protein interactions: Some foreign proteins, including certain viral proteins, can interact with cellular calcium signaling pathways. If EMFs affect calcium flux through voltage-gated calcium channels as some research suggests, this could potentially modify how these foreign proteins interact with cellular machinery.

Conformational changes: Proteins, including foreign ones, can undergo conformational changes in response to their environment. Theoretically, if EMFs alter the local electrochemical environment or calcium concentrations, this might affect protein folding or binding characteristics.

Membrane dynamics: Both EMFs and some foreign proteins (like viral fusion proteins) can affect cell membrane properties. There's a theoretical possibility that EMFs could influence how effectively certain foreign proteins interact with cellular membranes.

Oxidative stress pathways: Some research suggests EMFs can induce oxidative stress in cells. If foreign proteins also trigger oxidative responses, there could be additive or synergistic effects.

Immune signaling: Calcium signaling is crucial for immune cell activation. If EMFs modulate calcium signaling, this could theoretically affect how immune cells respond to foreign proteins.

It's important to emphasize that these are largely theoretical connections. The research specifically examining interactions between EMFs, calcium signaling, and foreign proteins like spike proteins is extremely limited. Most studies examine these factors independently rather than investigating potential interactions between them.

Any claims about definitive interactions would require controlled experimental studies that specifically test these variables together. Would you like me to elaborate on any particular aspect of these potential interactions?

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

https://substack.com/home/post/p-152193839

Ivermectin affecting calcium chloride channels...?!

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Stefano's avatar

It's an opus and reads like a science fiction novel. I'll have to read it a few times, it's not easy to maintain concentration throughout.

The key takeaway for me is the circular recursive relationships, concerning the tech, scientists, engineers, governance and private interests, which don't provide an "exit" or opt-out. And it's so vast and in perpetual advancement, across so many countries (jurisdictions), that it wouldn't be practical or realistic to regulate, even assuming governance structures could be created at this point in the "game".

So basically I don't see a happy ending, since humans are unreliable in terms of ethics and using power responsibly. One silver lining (not discussed) is related to the relationship between complexity and fragility. But this doesn't imply a scenario where a disaster (or problem) leads to lessons learned culminating with an Asilomar 2.0 (as you wrote) ending R&D on specific items because of its potential to create danger. It's more a case of a real lab leak leading to extinction or critical losses. Especially, as you point out, my impression is nearly everything is dual use and couched within utopian (and or dystopian) fantasies, so just waiting for a good Samaritan with the best intentions to do something unthinkable, because what could possibly go wrong with so many moving parts?

So it's more likely we create unintended consequences or "nature" and/or "God" and/or "the gods" flip the script in some unforeseen way, than an enlightened "us" emerging to stop the silliness.

That homestead looks ever more attractive, although realistically it's not a solution.

On a separate note, while reading about Le Corbusier I was reminded of the foundational role of healthy maternal and paternal love. Immeasurable and a sad indictment of where we are.

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Steve Martin's avatar

I really like this idea of a Sci-Fi novel or three. Will settle down for a longer read and listen later tonight, Japan time ... but I've read just enough to know most of this is way above my pay grade, and I don't know how much effect, if any (that unpredictability of emergent phenomenon), this substack post has in the potential to move a large mass of people to effect a more positive societal direction. I have to admit to being somewhat pessimistic about collective human nature in general.

But earlier today, I was watching a couple of YouTube's about NATO's (and China and Russia) increasing the stakes in cognitive warfare against their own populations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76HCtiHEWs and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b1C2mPwxRk

Those podcasts got me so riled up that I went to "Anna's Archives" to have "a friend" download the German version of Tögel's book (no English translation yet) and begin a Perplexity Pro - driven translation (with the assumption that it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission). (https://annas-archive.org/slow_download/e31d6835e71fc9bd7b4d49f27d13a6d0/0/0?__cf_chl_tk=b3M.I_x9T3bTsYsPUeZNEKWUFWK5q_beU1PR2BnBJOk-1741710772-1.0.1.1-y7WoTJNQi2.6e7ZudouzTbIaoSB6VG_OW7f88CoJWko)

I'm in the process of trying to reach out to Dr. Tögel to see about having 'a friend' upload an English translation to his website ... but the down shot is that in agreeing wih his triangulating between the likes of Plato, the Chomsky of "Manufacturing Consent", and Edward Bernays ... it is at the largely subconscious and emotional level that large populations are manipulated, and I see so much grist for the mill here in this post.

Philip K. Dick 2.0?

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Billy Masterson's avatar

Sweet Jesus.

Skimmed after I got the gist of where the Q&A was headed, still over an hour of reading. Audio, fugedaboudit.

"I have a bad feeling about this"

Some of the (present to 5 years) short term techniques already may have been implemented.

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Guido's avatar

Although there are zero controls on Substack for adjusting audio quality or playback speed, the audio was pretty damn good. I called it "Steady As She Goes" because the longer I listened, the funnier it got, in a sick humor kind of way. It's the voice saying "You've brought up something terrifying" and other such statements within the first sentence or two of many of the responses. I don't know if that vibe carries over to the text version.

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Billy Masterson's avatar

I wasn't referring to audio quality but to time required- I can read rather faster than I can listen.

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Guido's avatar

I understand. I typo'd it. I meant video quality and audio playback speed controls that Substack is lacking. No way to speed it up,

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Spartacus's avatar

There are actually playback speed controls on Substack. In the player, on the left, there's a button that says 1x. If you click on it, it cycles through the playback speeds.

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Guido's avatar

DOH !!!

I remember hovering my mouse all over the right side where it looks like there might be controls, to see if there was anything, but no pop up description ever came, so I had to click on some of them just to see what they do. That didn't work out so well and I even clicked on those dots to the right of the play button, nothing in there either.

How in the world did I never click on that 1x logo on the left just to find out what it is? I must have been that irritated with the right side that I gave up.

Thank you for mentioning it, that does help A LOT.

But is there any way to adjust playback quality, that I couldn't seem to find?

My net connection is so lame, that a lot of videos get real choppy when I play them faster, so I have to knock down the video quality, so I can crank it up to double speed.

I have watched/listened to things that were as long, or longer and I doubt I will ever be able to repeat, "That was four hours of pure, solid, awesome !!".

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Spartacus's avatar

I don't think there's a way to adjust the bitrate. If you click on the three dots on the right, though, there's a popup that lets you download the whole thing as a 200-meg MP3. Regardless of the upload quality, Substack recompresses audio to 128kbps MP3s to save bandwidth.

Usually, when I do a Spartacast, I write a script of at least 3500 words and then recite it in as few takes as possible. Sometimes, if I don't like how a part came out, I'll stop and chop, cutting off the tail to an audio part and continuing to record. I can usually make it sound clean, like one continuous take with no audible clicks.

This one took a bit longer to put together than usual. I took each of Claude's responses and passed them through text-to-speech by hand, and then arranged them on their own track, dovetailing each part together in a way that sounded somewhat natural and kind of concealed the difference in background noise between my mic and the text-to-speech. Claude's part in this podcast is made up of 77 separate audio clips. I always pictured Claude in my head as sounding like some old British gent, so I used ElevenLabs with the Julian voice. Some things didn't come out perfectly. I'm pretty sure I heard Claude say "pee eye" for Pi a couple times. At least Substack has LaTeX support so the formulae display nicely.

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Redeemed Dissident's avatar

Profound. Disturbing to read, even with prior exposure & assent to the many people, concepts and activities already in process to transform and ready humans as nodes on a vast network connected to one another and the hive mind, as well as a central controlling AI, etc. Loved the discourse and the insights gleaned, suspicions confirmed and the matter-of-fact tone of the disclosures made and theories/hypotheses explored, confirmed and extrapolated upon. THANK YOU for demonstrating, especially in this extensive disclosure, your own comprehensive & persistently inquiring yet studious grasp of what is transpiring as I write this comment...I would echo the sentiments of those who would link the "why" of all that was explored, explained and proposed to the spiritual aspects that govern even/especially those who have succumbed to the psychopathic aspirations for complete and total control and ownership of all things to self-perpetuate -- the origins of such a concept (an inversion/perversion of God's kingdom and demeanor animated & on display for those who seek Him) can only be from dark spiritual forces that would consume upon and for the benefit of themselves all the "treasures", wealth, resources and other living things (modified into synthetic, no longer organic form -- a substitute dna in place of the original created form, to prevent it from being reclaimed by God since corruption and syncretization are anathema to Him unless He Himself redeems, restores and repurposes it within His established set of laws/dynamics & established order as He did through Christ as federal head acting on behalf of all fallen humankind to provide restitution to enable the reinstatement of human/divine relationship, etc.) to sate their own inestimable appetite for power and control and self-aggrandizement regardless of the consequences and in fact, fueled and further empowered by the consequences of their actions -- hence the traumas, the use of wars, the perpetuation of "medicine" that "manages disease" but does not "cure" it -- that poisons skies, that pollutes souls and minds and deceives spirits, etc. You've shown us the mechanisms for how (IMO) the evil one has conspired and enabled the dark (attempted) usurpation of all that God has done (from his fallen limited point of view) to establish a (stolen) kingdom an inverse replication and transformation of that which was created good now tainted and no longer desirable to feed an insatiable need for affirmation and worship -- for adoration and servitude, for mandating and coercing & constraining/determining via force what God freely offers and freely receives back that can't be replicated but must instead be manipulated and programmed to obtain compliance -- what people have long claimed God did not want to do by not offering a choice in the garden (that is, have robotic, non-dynamic, meaningless loyalty and devotion) instead preferring that those who choose Him do so through the exercise of their own free will and (after Christ's restoration of the means for dong so) via His plan of restoration from the fallen state of disobedience couched as the selfsame search for meaning and equality with God through knowledge that could never satisfy or provide sufficiency of meaning and purpose that the fallen one has used to reach this point in history and time (another issue that does not affect God, who resides in the eternal, outside the constraints of time/space and who lives in the eternal "now"). The why is overtly simple, hiding in plain sight, but it requires that the mind -- long programmed to dismiss the spiritual, which is its source -- be renewed in the ways of God so that the same clarity with which the transhumanist singularity is sought as a means to complete humankind's

"babel" is clearly revealed in God's plan to allow humankind to reach the pinnacle of the result of the pursuit of knowledge and power throughout the ages only to find how far it falls short of what God can and has already done and how easily it can be defeated (as it was already in Christ) if those who have long been deceived and energized by the wrong set of aspirations will instead awaken to Him and His ways and to find what they cannot attain or hope to create themselves apart from Him and fin in Him their true calling and purpose -- where real meaning and life exists. The rest is a charade and will end in not the elevation and rule of humankind but instead their slavery and eventual extermination.

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aagabriel's avatar

I didn't read all your comment, stopped at why.

Why?

Well H.R. Giger was a tremendous influence on my art style and creativity. A couple of years ago, I found out he was a long time member of the O.T.O. 🥺

Here's another fuck up avant-garde freak who I semi-respected growing up, then found out how dreadfully anti-human he was.

Genesis P.Orridge talks about body and DNA hacking.

https://youtu.be/ObNpzl2LUiE

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Sue's avatar

That was seriously one very long run on sentence…

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Derp's avatar

too much to listen to but appreciate you very much. later spartacus

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aagabriel's avatar

4 hours faaaark. I'll listen to later

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Billy Masterson's avatar

@aagabriel

Someday never comes?

Especially after the nanites alter a few emotional parameters...

https://youtu.be/5WgUktfdDy4?si=t8SMTfGlna6FzHpJ

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aagabriel's avatar

1 hour through so far. I woke up early this Friday morning (lies, I no sleep) so I could get stuck into work while you and Claude kept me company.

Not so sure about Skorne, initially thought you meant Slaine. https://www.amazon.com/Slaine-Book-Invasions-Pat-Mills/dp/1907992685

And how could you forget DOOM? The sci-fi novel series goes into grotesque detail on the biomechanical aspect to Cacodemons, Cyberdemons, Revenants, Spiderminds.. highly recommend reading them.

The art style of AKIRA, and I guess the theme too, relates exactly to what's discussed around one hour in.

Oh and you can't forget H.R. Giger's masterpiece as artistic director: Aliens.

Here's a gift for you because I appreciate your efforts with Claude. He'll be on your side when Skynet BioNanoNeuro Singularity reaches Omega point. https://ibb.co/zh4Z98Jd

Please don't forget about me 🙏

Oh and holy shit, i knew where you were going re: fat as optimal biological material for nano signal, and yelped HOLY SHIT when you nudged Claude 's discussion upon unknown reactivity of nano materials towards our immune systems!

Bless! I'm gonna depress the shit out of people all weekend with this! Lmao @ Homo-Chimerality for one!

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Washed Up Pharmacist's avatar

I admit I haven't listened to the whole thing yet. Will need to do this in chunks. However, co-incidentally, or not, this very comprehensive article has been published on nanotechnology and the brain. Spartacus, you may be interested.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/epdf/10.1021/acsnano.4c10525?ref=article_openPDF

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Washed Up Pharmacist's avatar

Quite a ride. Disturbing. But Man is made in Gods image and our souls are hardier than those technocrats think.

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currer's avatar

I just want to make a general observation, as I am new to this substack. My feeling is that you are taking theory and possibility for fact and realities.

I cannot see that these technologies can ever be truly biocompatible. The body's immune system would reject implantable nanotech, or if it could not reject it as foreign, would become sick. The public have an exaggerated concept of what "medicine" can do as they are fed publicity documents rather than truth. Surgery can achieve a great deal in restoring health, just cut something malfunctioning out, and generally the body can heal, but medical interventions are frequently stymied by the sheer complexity of living systems. If an interventional drug works, it frequently only works for a while and then side effects predominate and a new drug has to be sought. No-one knows why this is.

Your intelligence is misleading you and misdirecting you into very dark places. As Meryl says, please take a break from these ruminations.

The cabal's plans are already unravelling, they are mediocrities who cannot withstand truth, cannot create can only destroy. Look at the banality of their "pandemic" science rationalisations that were used to justify lockdown - no moderately intelligent person could believe that unscientific crap.

They do not have the faintest understanding of or interest in true science. These people are moneymen, not natural scientists, they are not interested in understanding natural living biological systems, only in monetising things.

Transhumanism and its claims are mainly about pumping up their stock market valuations. Many of the "elite" who endorse the transhumanist moneyspinner were fooled by their own propaganda into taking the vax.

Their only use for their wealth is to feed their degenerate and hubristic fantasies of omnipotence.

They are not to be feared. They may be crafty but they are also stupid. I have noticed that liars are frequently taken in by other liars as they have no internal standard of truth to alert them and set them back on the right track. Transhumanist claims are another lie and will not deliver the promised goods.

Love and peace.

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